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Dena
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:20 pm    Post subject: IMPORTANT - Prog Splash Reply with quote

It Bites have been forced to pull out of Saturday's Holmfirth Prog Splash. Due to technical issues and a memory card malfunction John Beck's entire It Bites catalogue of keyboard programming - some 30 years worth - has been lost.

Under normal circumstances in the time between now and the gig John would have worked day and night to reprogram it but with him committed to other projects this week the task has proved impossible.  Therefore, rather than put on a sub standard show the band have taken the difficult decision to cancel the gig.

It Bites realise this impacts on both their fans and to other bands on the bill and sincerely apologise to all. 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woe! Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh No. I hope John can sort all that stuff out.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Bloody hell ! how do you even try to replicate that Question Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the beggining of the end ????
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it alanfuss. I just think John might have pressed Ctrl Alt Delete! Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is NOT the beginning of the end. This is a genuine mistake by JB. To say he's devastated is an understatement.

The band are really heartened by the support they've received, as this truly is the last thing they wanted to happen, and I have no doubt they'll find some way to make it up to all of those who were disappointed.

On a personal note, I'm saddened by those fans offering no support; those being very vocal about how unprofessional they consider the band to be, etc. I know people are disappointed and out of pocket - I'm included in that - but I would have thought a bit of support wouldn't have gone amiss. Imagine losing your life's work in one fell swoop through what others may consider a silly mistake. Wouldn't you be upset? I know I would. Still, I also understand that everyone has their opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gutted to hear this and feel for Mr Beck.

Its a bit like when the Ozric Tentacles lost every thing in a fire couple of years back. Diferent circumstances but just as devasting.

Im sure JB will work his socks off to recover his work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

Can I just echo Dena's comments regarding lack of support in some areas, particularly in respect of some of the judgemental and disparaging comments on the Facebook page at a time when the band needs our support.

I went round to JB's as soon as the panic call came in, and I can honestly say that once we came to the realisation that the memory card settings had irretrievably gone, he was gutted. I've never seen him so upset.

For this reason, I feel compelled to write to explain in a little detail what happened, and why, so that we can all understand the background, and get behind JB while he works through the onerous task of reprogramming our favourite songs.

The mamory card in question is the one in JB's Roland A90 mother keyboard. It is a 64k (yes, 64k) dynamic RAM card, which is backed up by an internal battery. If the battery goes, the card wipes - just like when you unexpectedly turn off your PC, and whatever you had in RAM disappears, because it needs a power source to retain the 1's and 0's. Once it's gone, it's gone, and there's no echo, or anything, that the disk retrieval specialists can use to help restore it. It's just gone. Exactly the opposite of our SD card/Compact Flash/USB sticks we all take for granted these days, and which don't need battery back-up. Also - and crucially - the mother keyboard does not have even a floppy disk drive for backup - just the proprietary card. so there's no simple option but to use it for backup storage.

These cards date from the mid nineties, and are rare as rocking horse droppings, plus hideously expensive if you can find one on Fleabay. Compare £10 for 16 Gb to £100 for 64 kb.

You are probably thinking, why not use the internal memories - well, JB uses a card to store his patches, so that he can take a card to Japan etc. and hire an A90, rather than freight one around the world. makes total sense when the beast weighs 65lb plus case. The card had been stored between the last iB outings and when the problem reared its head, as JB doesn't use this keyboard between iB live gigs - 'cos believe me, it's too bloomin' heavy to cart around! In the intervening period, the battery, which was at least 10 years old, expired. it's as simple as that.

Now - here's the really important bit - this card is about 2mm thick, so unless you specifically know, you would not expect there to be a battery in it. To be honest, I only know because when I bought my memory card, it did not work, so I researched it, and lo and behold, found a secret battery drawer which was empty - it takes one of those coin cell lithium batteries - 2mm thick... plus, you got it, the A90 itself uses an identical battery to back up its internal memory...

The only mistake JB has made is not knowing this was a battery backed up card. Very easy mistake to make, and to be honest, every keyboard player's worst fear. God knows, I've made similar mistakes, but nothing with as dramatic a consequence as this one - and JB is feelng this most acutely.

So - he has lost his setups, for some of the most complex songs in rock. By setups, I mean midi routings which steer internal sounds, splits, layers, and external routings for his sampler etc. The songs cannot be played without these setups - unlike the helpful suggestion we had from one Facebook guy about just playing it with an organ etc.

This will be rectified - JB is determined - but not in the timescale he had available, and iB quality control is paramount.

Now - just so that we answer the obvious question - prevent it happening again - well, we're looking at other ways of storing the data to PC , and indeed I was round at JB's last night, backing up his other keyboards, and establishing a "repository" in a safe place in my house, just in case... I'll let you all know when we are satisfied we have this licked on the mother keyboard.

So please, we're all part of the family here - this problem will be sorted, so let's project our support onto the Facebook skeptics and will JB on in his task.

DBP

P.S. If anyone has a Roland M-512E card for sale at a reasonable price, I know of a worthy recipient - so drop me a PM......
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the detailed explanation superjx10. I know how I felt when the floppy disk drive in my old Yamaha SY85 synth died so I could no longer access all my own sequencer songs - but I can only try and imagine how JB must be feeling to have lost his entire set-up for an iconic band that were about to play a high profile gig. He has my total sympathy & support in trying to piece it all back together again. Vintage keyboards can make some special and unique sounds but sadly they do have drawbacks when things go wrong. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow what a detailed insight. Poor John must have felt absolutely dreadful. He is an ultra talented musician and doggedly determined. All will be right again in no time I'm sure. Good luck John, and nice one superjx10 for this explanation.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Ditto..nice one superjx. I'm not putting this one down to people not understanding..as a musician, you do, but even if you aren't a musician, you can understand what has gone on. I'm old school, and don't use anything that i don't understand amp wise, i just adjust the settings and stomp on the pedals. So this must be an absolute nightmare for John and i sincerely hope that things can get retrieved and sorted asap. Dena has a point in case too, If something goes wrong, the last thing anyone needs is lambasting.. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan - thank you. I'm a luddite when it comes to such things so it's great to have someone technically-minded (and who was there at the time) to explain this in terms even I can understand.

This is just a blip - I promise. Given, it's a large blip, if you take into account the massive amount of information that's been lost, but I can say with my hand on my heart that the band are absolutely devasted about this and are determined to get back on track ASAP.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for JB, I really do - he must be absolutely gutted not only because he's lost all that work but he's also responsible for letting down the fans, so it's a double whammy for him.

Dan - please give JB a big hug from me and Sal and wish him all the best for his Fish gigs. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Dunnerry´s keyboardist got all the sounds spot on so what´s the fuss.

Did JB give FD a copy of his memory cards ???

I doubt it .....

And as a keyboardist myself I know the situation is not iretrievable relatively effortlessly.
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